This video of James Delingpole interviewing Dr Reiner Fuellmich on 25 May 2021 is a great summary from the start of the investigations and the lawsuits into current events…with more news on the way in two to three weeks, according to Reiner. The successive court cases thus far are spoken of at the end of the interview.

SPEAKERS

Reiner Fuellmich, James Delingpole

James Delingpole  00:00

Welcome to the Delingpod with me James Delingpole. And I know I always say I’m excited about this week’s special guest. But yes, I really am excited. I think that Reiner Fuellmich, is probably the most requested podcast guest I’ve had. And you’ll understand why. Because I think a lot of people are there you are the great right hope of all this madness of all the corona madness. You are. Yeah, it used to be, oh, President Trump is going to save us all with his magical plan. Yeah, right. But I think that there’s maybe a chance with you so. So Reiner Fuellmich just for the benefit of those who don’t know, who you are because some people are going to be really excited. Some people will go, who is this guy? Just tell us a bit about yourself first of all.

Reiner Fuellmich  00:54

Yeah, I’m an attorney. And I’m a trial attorney for most of my life. For the past 26 years, at least, my colleagues and I have been representing consumers and small and medium sized corporations against large, typically fraudulent corporations like Deutsche Bank, VW, and the world’s largest shipping company, Kuehne Nagel. And I’m licenced to practice law, both here in Germany and in the state of California, in the United States. And that’s why I am using my connections in order to have an international cooperation of attorneys that will hopefully solve this problem. It’s difficult, but I think it’s only by way of connecting international lawyers by most importantly, connecting the civil law system with the Anglo American legal system, that we will see success at the end of the road.

James Delingpole  02:01

So I’m gonna ask you about the good news, or if there is any good news a bit later on. But first of all, because I think the world is very divided right now, isn’t it between those who are sort of buying into this narrative, this government propaganda narrative, that the lockdowns, the mask mandates, the quarantines? This is all being done for our own good, this is all a rational response to a genuine health scare, which is all but unprecedented. You know that it’s the worst thing since 1990, in the Spanish flu. And then there are those of us who think this is just a massive scam, which is on an epic scale but involving the medical and scientific establishment, big government. Tell me about your journey of discovery. I mean, when was it that you first smelled a rat? Or did you smell it right from the start?

Reiner Fuellmich  03:02

No, I didn’t smell it right from the start. My wife and I were back in 2020, we were staying at our ranch in in Northern California. And we all of a sudden, our friends and our relatives called us and told us about lockdown. And I didn’t even know what it was. So I tried to make sense of all that. And because we couldn’t see anything there out there. We live in the middle of nowhere. And this is on purpose, because I want to be out there so that the only people who I have to talk to is a bear, rattlesnake, a couple of horses, couple of cows. And that’s how that’s how you recharge your batteries. At least, that’s how I do it. And I just wanted to, you know, be out there go horseback riding or drive out to the Pacific Ocean, do some wind surfing, stuff like that. And all of a sudden, all these bad news are piling in. And I called my friend, Wolfgang Wodarg who was a doctor and who was instrumental, and probably the one person who stopped the swine flu some 10 years or 11 years ago, and I called him and I said, what, what is this all about? Because it seems to me as though this is just the flu, and somebody is trying to blow this all out of proportion. He says you’re probably right. I can’t make a lot of sense of it right now. But it reminds me a lot of the swine flu some 11 years ago, even the protagonists seem to be the same people. There’s this guy from England who was completely off when he predicted 11 years ago during the swine flu predicted millions of deaths. That’s of course, Neil Ferguson. And then there is this German guy by the name of Professor Dr. Drosden. In the meantime, we know he’s probably neither a professor nor a doctor, but a fake. And he was back then predicting millions of deaths. And he was back then trying to push vaccines. And he said, but in order to find out what’s really going on, I have to put you in touch with a number of people. And he gave me the names of some German scientists and some American scientists, some of them lived close by and at Stanford University, and I got in touch with them and watch their videos. And turns out that Wolfgang is right and that there really is something fishy about all of this. Of course, we didn’t know any details, but I was expecting our government to come up with a with a committee or to take a closer look at what was really going on. But that wasn’t happening. So that’s when my wife decided Reiner, we have to go back, you know how to deal with these people. With these people she means fraudulent corporations. And at this point, by looking at what happened 11 years ago, it looked as though the pharmaceutical industry was playing a big role in this. And I said, Well, I haven’t done any medical law for the last 15 years, but sure, I’m going to look into this, but I need help. And I tried to find other lawyers in Germany, who would come on board. And that was kind of difficult, until I met with at the suggestion of Wolfgang Wodarg. I met with my colleague, Vivianne Fischer. She’s completely fearless, great lawyer. She’s also an economist, and a hat maker.

James Delingpole  06:36

Right?

Reiner Fuellmich  06:36

She really is. And so I called her and I said, What can we do? Maybe we should set up a committee or we should have a conference over an extended weekend to look into these matters, because it doesn’t look as though our government is going to do what it’s supposed to do –  meaning look into this matter. And she said, I don’t think it’s going to be that easy. We’re going to have to go a little bit further. And we’re going to have to probably dig a little bit deeper. So that’s why we decided to have the Corona Investigative Committee in Berlin. And that’s how it all started out. There’s two other colleagues who came on board two other attorneys, Dr. Justus Hoffman and Antonia Fisher. And since July 10, we have been interviewing experts of all areas of science including virology, epidemiology, medicine in general, economics, law, psychiatry, psychology, etc, etc. You name it. And of course, there’s highly renowned people like Dr. Mike Yeadon, former vice president of Pfizer, and I think their chief science officer for 16 years or so. Then there’s Professor Ulrika (inaudible), she’s a biologist from the University of Wurzburg, then there’s Dolores Cahill she’s a professor from Dublin in Ireland. And a number of other very well known and highly respected people in their field. And we asked three questions which we think the general population is interested in getting the answer to. One is, how dangerous is the virus really? The second question is, how reliable is the Drosden PCR test? And the third question is, how much damage do the anti Corona measures do? Well, the last question is easily answered. This is like world war three. It’s the destruction of the entire middle class. All the small and medium sized businesses are going under, at least in this country, but I know same things happening in most of the other civilised countries. How dangerous is a virus? Well, even the WHO agrees that it’s no more dangerous than the common flu, whatever it is, we don’t know what kind of virus it is. Is it really the corona virus? Is it something else? There’s something out there, that’s for sure. We’re not denying that there’s something out there. But some people say it’s probably the common flu, which has been relabeled as Corona we don’t know. But it is no more dangerous than the common flu at .14 percent infection fatality rate. That’s what the WHO says or John Ionnidis one of the most quoted scientists in the world from Stanford University says .15 percent infection fatality rate. So why is all this going on? Turns out that the third question, how reliable is the PCR test is probably the key to everything. Now, Professor Dr. Drosten, of Charite University here in Berlin, he’s the one who invented this test, the PCR test was not invented by him, it was invented by a scientist, a Nobel Prize winner by the name of Kary Mullis. And it’s a perfect test. It’s for scientific purposes only, it is not for diagnostic purposes. So that’s the first question we need to get an answer to, why is it being used for diagnostic purposes, if it is not designed for that, and if it cannot tell you anything about infections, because that’s what we have learned. In the meantime, a PCR test make things visible, that are otherwise invisible to the human eye. So what you do is you take the swab and whatever is on the swab, you can’t see it. So you put it into a machine. And then you magnify it. This is called cycles of amplification.

Reiner Fuellmich  10:54

Two, four, eight, sixteen, thirty-two etc, etc. and at 24 cycles of amplification, everyone agrees now, it’s useless. For example, the public health agency in Frankfurt says anything beyond 24 cycles, we don’t even look at it. The thing is, regardless of how you use it, a PCR test can never tell you anything about infections, because it cannot distinguish between live and dead matter. In other words, whatever it tests positive too may very well be the fragments of your your own immune systems successful fight against the common flu, or against the common cold, something like that. But it cannot tell you if that particular piece or molecule or fragment that it found is infectious, meaning has a whole virus and that’s what we need, we don’t need a fragment, that’s not enough, has a whole virus entered your cells and is replicating there, or is this just something that’s of no concern anymore, because whatever it is that the immune system has taken care of it. So the final answer is a PCR test can never ever, under no circumstances tell you anything about infections. If you use it correctly, you may very well avoid all these false positives that we have in the meantime. But it wasn’t even used correctly. Because this is special about the Drosden PCR tests. He in early January 2020, invented this PCR test, he says, because and gave it to the WHO they recommended it as the gold standard for the detection of infections to the rest of the world. That’s why everybody’s using this or use this test as a blueprint for their own tests.

James Delingpole  13:00

Yes, so this, he seems to be one of the biggest, because over here in the UK, we’re all very familiar with Neil Ferguson, and we know he’s bent as a nine bob note with a track record, going back to 2001, the Foot and Mouth pandemic, which he completely messed up, slaughtered, loads of animals needlessly, etc, etc. But Drosden is not a name very familiar to, I think, people outside Germany. So tell us a bit more about him. And I don’t think he’s actually acting independently is he I mean, he is acting for other interests.

Reiner Fuellmich  13:41

Yeah, that’s the point. He and all the others, including a veterinarian who runs the German equivalent of the American CDC, RKI, Wheeler is his name. Plus, many of the politicians who are really involved in this are simply puppets for someone else who’s running the show who’s pulling their strings. So we’re certain that it wasn’t his idea, because this is how it all started. I mean, we know in the meantime, that what’s happening here is is an agenda. And this has been planned for at least 10 years. The last time they had a kind of a manoeuvre was in October of 2019. They called that dry run, I guess you could call it they call that Event 201. They meaning the global corporations that regularly frequently meet on the occasion of this World Economic Forum. But there’s other platforms which they use to meet regularly, but the World Economic Forum is one of the most important ones. and that Event 201, which I just referred to, was, I think, held by the World Economic Forum, Johns Hopkins University. I think it’s called Johns Hopkins security, health or something. So security, all of a sudden, you realise hmm something about maybe the military industrial complex, but others were also involved in this. And Drosden when the first news appeared, international news, and all of a sudden, there’s talk of a new disease coming from out of Wuhan in China. He claims that on New Year’s Eve, or a day later, he invented that test without ever having seen the virus. So whatever he did, he never even saw the virus. He just put something together on the computer, which he thinks was the virus. And then he invented the Drosden test, which he claims can detect infections with that virus. He did that in early 2020. In early January 2020. Remember, at that time, he, Wheeler, what’s the name of our secretary of health? a banker by the name of who knows nothing about counting and mathematics? by the name of Jens Spahn, everyone else calmed the general population by saying, Hey, this is nothing special. This is probably just the common flu, most of you will not notice anything. So why is this guy inventing this test in order to see whether or not someone is infected with something that’s completely harmless? We don’t know. But he was obviously waiting for someone to give them the signal. And in mid March, he publicly then decided that this is extremely dangerous, and that this needs to be called a pandemic. But before that, something much more important happened. Because in we’ve learnt this from interviewing two former WHO employees, Dr. Stuckelberger, and Dr. Barent. And they told us the following. In late January, I think, January 22, and 23rd, the pharmaceutical industry pushed the WHO to announce a public health emergency of international concern, public health emergency of international concern, if you pronounce it correctly, it’s fake.

Reiner Fuellmich  17:43

Its the public health emergency of international concern then why was this so important for the pharmaceutical industry because they needed this announcement for their agenda, which they want it. Of course, there are several steps in between, the mask mandates, lockdown, social distancing, but the final result that they wanted to arrive at was to get everyone vaccinated. And in order to get people vaccinated with something that isn’t even a vaccine we know now it’s an experimental gene therapy, and which has never been tested, that’s really important. In order to get people vaccinated with such a new drug, let me put it that way, you first needed the declaration of a public health emergency of international concern, because that would then be the basis for the United States giving this an emergency use approval, EUA or, this is what happened in Europe, to give this drug a conditional use approval. So that’s what they were after. However, at this first session, emergency session or emergency committee on the 22nd and 23rd of January, there weren’t any cases. So the majority of the people who attended said, Hey, what is this all about? There’s nothing wrong here. Two weeks later, they met again, I think this is on February the 12th or 14, something like that. And all of a sudden they had the cases. Why did they have the cases? Because in the meantime, Drosden supplied his Drosden PCR tests, and they used it and they came up with 1000s of cases. Now that was good enough for the declaration of a public health emergency of international concern. Now we know of course how this works because according to Dr. Mike Yeadon if you use a cut off threshold of 35 cycles of amplification, you end up with at least 97 percent false positives. Remember, I told you that the Frankfurt public health agency says we don’t even consider anything beyond 24 cycles of amplification. Now, this guy set his test for 45 cycles of amplification. And most of the Western countries followed suit, they test between 40 and 45 cycles of amplification, even if they’d stayed at 35 cycles of amplification, according to Mike Yeadon, this will get us 97 percent false positives. So we can be almost 100 percent certain that whatever the Drosden test created was only false positives. But the pharmaceutical industry needed this, they needed the false positives, of course, without telling anyone that these are false positives in order to be able to declare this public health emergency of international concern. Now we’re going after Drosden in our lawsuits, and after Wheeler, and after some of the others, which will happen over the next two or three weeks, there will be a number of very big lawsuits starting. Because they’re the ones out there who are easy to catch. We know they’re just the puppets, but there’s people behind them. And we’ll see where the evidence takes us. That’s why I thought it was really important to have this to make this into an international cooperation of lawyers and to in particular, connect with the Anglo American legal system, because the American, the Anglo American legal system has two major advantages over the German legal system, which as we have seen over the years, not just with Corona is, unfortunately completely corrupt when it comes to to representing consumers and small and medium sized corporations against large fraudulent, fraudulent corporations. They’re usually on the side of the corrupt fraudulent corporations. So that’s why I decided we needed the Anglo American legal system because it has two advantages. One is the law of evidence, which is much more sophisticated than what we have here in Germany, including the pre trial discovery. And the other is, of course, the class action, because that is the most important tool for representing consumers and small and medium sized corporations against large, powerful, fraudulent corporations.

James Delingpole  22:36

And there is one one potential flaw in this. I don’t want to rain on your parade or anything. But we’ve seen for example, with the shenanigans surrounding the recent presidential election, that the American legal system is bust. I mean, even the Supreme Court can’t do its job. So how are we going to get a fair? How are you going to get a fair hearing in the US legal system, which seems to be almost as bent as the German one?

Reiner Fuellmich  23:06

Yes, you’re right. The other side have installed lots and lots of puppets in what they consider strategically important positions. Yeah, one of the the physicians is, of course, here in Germany, the president of the Constitutional Court, which is sort of the highest court in Germany, there is another court, that’s the Supreme Court. But the Constitutional Court is more important. Or in some of the political positions like the Green Party, they announced that one of the women who plays a role in the Green Party who never even finished any education, but who is part of the what most people probably understand now Young Leaders Group of the great reset or the World Economic Forum, she’s now running for Chancellor. But same thing has happened in the United States. There’s a lot of puppets that were installed. But some of these puppets are now about to fall. The most recent news from the United States I’m getting from my friends, is that they’re going after Fauci. And that there’s a lot of pressure on him. He may even, he may even be finally fired. There’s one of the senators, I think one of the Republican senators is asking for him to be fired. There’s a law that is, I think the acronym says, ouch, well fired. That’s what it is, but it’s about Fauci’s mistakes, and that’s why he needs to be fired. And this is we think, also going to happen in some of the other countries. It’s happening already in France, for example, the military. which is really important. parts of the military are extremely, um, I shouldn’t say anxious, but angry is maybe the right word. And worried is probably the best word. So there’s something going on there. We realise that no individual legal system on its own national legal system is capable of dealing with this, but the international cooperation with which we have is going to help, we are working with the Africans, we’re working with the Canadians. That’s where we filed our first class action, which was dismissed without even a hearing. But our colleague, Michael Swinwood wrote an excellent appeal so we’ll see what happens on appeal. And there’s other things that I cannot tell you about, because I want this to happen, and I don’t want anyone to kind of endanger any of this. So within the next two or three weeks things are going to happen. And then we’ll see do our legal system still stand? Or are they already completely under control of the other side which I doubt?

James Delingpole  26:16

Right? Well, let’s I don’t want to jeopardise any of your class actions. But tell me, what is the basis of your claim? Who are you representing? And who are you launching them against?

Reiner Fuellmich  26:30

My colleagues and I, I’m not the only one, I’m one of probably in the meantime, two or 300 lawyers who are cooperating worldwide. But my colleagues and I here in Germany, we represent small and medium sized businesses, because they’re the main target of what’s going on. This has nothing to do with health. What some people think, is collateral damage is not collateral damage, it’s the intended damage, because part of the agenda is, well, part of what they want is population reduction, as they call it, or population control, which is probably going to be achieved through these so called vaccinations, untested vaccinations, which have serious serious adverse effects. They’ve had them already. But we were afraid, according to what the scientists we talked to say, we’re afraid it’s going to be much, much worse. Another part of the agenda is destruction of the middle class, because these businesses are supposedly going to be taken over by some of the Anglo American platforms. Amazon is one of them, of course. So that’s what is really going on. It has, while everyone is looking in the direction of Corona, what is happening, they most of them don’t see what’s really happening, or they see it, but they don’t understand why it’s happening. This is what we believe is happening. And the class action that we filed is for small and medium sized businesses, the class action was filed in Canada, it includes not just small and medium sized businesses, but it also includes other classes, meaning groups of people. And what’s special about a class action is if you have many people who suffered damages because of one particular mistake, let’s put it that way. For example, a defective product. In this case, we’re talking about the PCR tests and the lies that go hand in hand with it. If there’s a lot of people who suffer the same kind of damage in this case, monetary damage, because their businesses are destroyed because of the lock downs because these lock downs are all based solely and exclusively on the Drosden PCR test. That’s why I tried to explain in such detail what happened in January 2020. So if you have this large number of people, of course, they can all go to court and file their individual complaints. But if you do that in Germany, it’s really expensive, because here in Germany, the lobbyists of powerful corporations have been so successful that in the meantime, for example, one of the people who are still running our government, one of them is a Secretary of the Interior now, but 15 or 20 years ago, he was the secretary of health. And back then he was asked by a journalist. Is it true that politicians cannot make their own decisions anymore? But rather, that the pharmaceutical industry is so powerful that they’re the ones who are running the show? He said, Yes. So that’s what’s been going on. In Germany that’s like so next to impossible to win as a consumer to win against a huge global corporation. And that’s why we decided we’re going to use the the most powerful tool there is. And that’s the class action. And that’s why Michael Swinwood our colleague filed that class action in Ontario, it’s one of the Canadian provinces. And but he’s filed it not just for entrepreneurs, but also for one plaintiff represents the group, the class of the handicapped. Another represents the group of the indigenous people, because that’s what Michael Swinwood has been most interested in defending these people against all these well, attacks that they have been the subject of, for centuries. Now genocide is really what this is all about. And this is what they have been the target of for centuries. And that’s all of a sudden, he says, we’re all Indians now. Because all of a sudden, we’re all on the receiving end of this injection.

James Delingpole  31:16

Yes.

Reiner Fuellmich  31:17

So that’s why we filed this.

James Delingpole  31:19

Well, we should talk about this, because there are gonna be some people who are gonna be nodding furiously as you say this, and there are others who are going to be saying, well, I liked him at the beginning, he sounded reasonable, sounded very well balanced, but here he is entering into tinfoil hat conspiracy territory. I mean, why would anyone want to depopulate the world? And how can you possibly say that, you know, we trust doctors, they wouldn’t be injecting us with, with stuff that could kill us. So what’s your answer to that?

Reiner Fuellmich  31:54

Yeah, if anybody had told me this a year and a half ago, I would have reacted in that very same way because it’s so incredible, that my wife and I, when we first heard about these stories, we didn’t believe them either. At the very beginning, of course, we realise there’s something off, there’s something wrong, but we would never ever have guessed that this is what it’s all about. But as far as the population reduction is concerned, it’s all out there in the open. I mean, it’s part of the agenda of the so called great reset. It’s part of the agenda that Bill Gates and his Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, through GAVI, which is their vehicle that invests in almost all the vaccine producers. It’s part of the agenda that all of these people are following. It’s out there in the open, anybody can read about it. Anybody can watch the videos, for example, The  Defender, which is Robert F. Kennedy Jr’s newspaper, I guess you could call it, it in detail follows Bill Gates. And there’s lots of video clips from 15 – 20 years ago. And so if anybody is really interested, of course, you can’t look and hope to see anything, or get any of this information from the mainstream media, because the mainstream media is also the recipient of a lot of money. Bill Gates, and what’s his name? Klaus Schwab. He’s the great reset person. They invested much of their money and the people who are cooperating with them, they invested much of their money into the pharmaceutical and tech industry, but they also invested a lot of money into the mainstream media so that they would be in line with them and the politicians who are aligned with these corporations. So it sounds as though this is crazy, but it’s not. You can read it up. And there it is.

James Delingpole  33:57

Yes. Tell me a bit about, because I imagine in your hearings, you’ve heard a lot about the role of Bill Gates and all this. And I have arguments with my wife about this, for example, who still thinks of Bill Gates as the guy who got rich selling computer software and he wears, you know, jumpers, and how can an evil person wear jumpers? You know, he looks a bit geeky, but that’s about it. So what would you say to people who think yeah, this is a conspiracy theory.

Reiner Fuellmich  34:28

Well, take a close look, check out The Defender and the links that are in that article, which will then show you the videos in which he says that, for example, that there are too many people on this planet. There needs to be population reduction and check out the newspaper articles. Some of them are older about how he or through GAVI, I guess, vaccinated people in Africa and in India. And it turns out it wasn’t really a vaccination, but it was sterilisation that happened there. They took him to court, I think India threw him out of the country, not him, but GAVI. Probably him too, I don’t know. But it’s all there. It’s just the problem is that the mainstream media, which are more or less or have been brought under control, do not mention this. And if you do mention it in a video, for example, I don’t know about this one, for example, or if you write about it, then it’s very likely that Google or any of the other social media, Facebook is going to take it down in no time. Instead of that’s a major problem, the mainstream media will not discuss this, they will not discuss this. None of the experts who we spoke to, and all of them renowned people, would ever get invited into a talk show or something that’s on the mainstream media, because they know the other side knows that once this discussion starts, once you look at the other side, that’s what the Latin saying means. audi alteram partem, something that everyone should know, in particular lawyers. That’s why we don’t understand how is it that the government, which is supposed to take care of us, the people who voted for them? Well, I didn’t vote for them, but most people voted for them, or else they wouldn’t be in government, they wouldn’t run the show, how is it that the government only listened to one person that’s Drosden a totally discredited person, and based all of their decisions, which are good, follow the money, you know, good for the pharmaceutical and tech industry, and the financial industry? How is it that they based all of their decisions on the opinion of just one person and never ever listened to anyone else who was out there? Because we were able to speak to these people, they’re available? They’re gonna  speak to the mainstream media as well. How is it that the only reaction that they have to other people’s opinions is to call them Nazis? right wing Nazi Nazi right wing, right wing. That’s about the only reaction you get?

James Delingpole  37:26

Yes,

Reiner Fuellmich  37:26

That tells you that they’re really afraid, really afraid that the rest of the people might catch on to this as well?

James Delingpole  37:35

Yes, I’ve noticed some of the names you mentioned, Dolores Cahill, Mike Yeadon, I’ve spoken to both of them, and I’ve seen what’s happened to them. They have been vilified, Mike Yeadon had somebody impersonating him on his Twitter account and sort of posting racist tweets. I’ve seen lots of people discrediting, you know and saying, well, he was only a VP at Pfizer, you know, what would he know about vaccines?

Reiner Fuellmich  38:02

Yeah yeah.

James Delingpole  38:03

I imagine that you’ve had that as well against you, have you?

Reiner Fuellmich  38:09

Yeah. to a lesser degree, though, for some reason, Vivianne, and I, I mean, the mainstream media did try to go after us. But since they have nothing to offer, but right wing, right wing Nazi Nazi, and that’s it. Most people seem to be looking through this now. And also, another thing that’s helping us and that’s playing in our favour is that some of the agenda is not going according to plan. We have heard from a whistleblower that what’s happening now should have really happened 20 years later, but because these people, this is how this whistleblower explains it to us. got greedy, it pulled it forward in time. So that’s why many mistakes are happening. One of the worst mistakes is, of course, all these adverse effects from the vaccinations. This is happening worldwide. And it is very, very hard to sweep this under the carpet. It has now, at least in the United States, reached the mainstream media. It has reached Fox News. Tucker Carlson had an interview with a very well known doctor from Texas. His name is Peter McCulloch. And Tucker Carlson, I don’t think he acted but I think it was honest, he was shocked to hear what he heard. There’s another there’s a short video a video clip with Tucker Carlson explaining that, on average, some 30 people died after vaccination in the United States per day. And he also says that during the first 40 days of this year, more people have died after receiving these shots than in the time, in the 15 years between was it 1998 and 2013, something like that, died of all the vaccines that were used combined. So something is completely wrong here. And you have to take into consideration that what is reported to VAERS, which is their register for adverse reactions to vaccines, that only 1 percent of what’s really going on is reported to VAERS. So the real numbers are certainly a lot higher. The same things are happening everywhere. In the United States, in the UK, in Israel, in Germany, in France, we’re getting reports like these from all of the other countries, including, of course, Israel. The latest figures from Israel say that in the age bracket of over 80 or 79, forty times more people died after receiving these shots, than died of or with COVID, and 200 in the younger age bracket 260 times more people die after receiving the shots than of or with COVID.

James Delingpole  41:18

That is really rather shocking. I spoke to a whistleblower who works in a GP practice with 20,000 patients. And she told me that she’s getting up to 1000 calls a day, from people ringing up concerned about adverse reactions they’ve had to their so called vaccines. And the doctors spend their time persuading these people that it has nothing to do with the vaccine, and therefore these adverse reactions are not being reported. And when I put this video up, I had various commenters early comments surprisingly early, jumping on it and pouring scepticism on this woman. They say, you know it doesn’t ring true, she’s making it up. I think they were seeding the reaction from other people who saw this. But since putting up the video I’ve had comments from other people, just people I know. One chap contacted me this morning and said, he is young man, he said he’d had the AZ jab and he’d had a seizure within two weeks. And when he’d rung up the doctor, the doctor had vigorously denied that it had anything to do with the vaccine. So this is what we’re up against. I wanted to ask you, we ought to have the basis of another class action here of people who’ve been killed or incapacitated by the vaccines. But we know that the pharmaceutical companies have no liability. So how’s that gonna work out?

Reiner Fuellmich  42:53

Yeah, well, they claim that in the United States, and in some other parts of the world, there’s no liability for them. They’re immune. They claim immunity, but there’s no immunity from intentional infliction of harm. And this is what this is. This is intentional infliction of harm, malicious infliction of harm, as my colleagues here in Germany, plus our major Legal Adviser Professor Schwab have gathered from all the evidence that we now hav. The most important thing to remember is that the most important result of the so called Nuremberg trials, that was going after the main war criminals, but also after the doctors, the most important result is the idea the notion of informed consent, because what happened during the Third Reich, you know, all these medical experiments with what’s his name, Dr. Mengele. That was not, people wanted this to never ever happen again. So this is informed consent. Informed consent means that a medical intervention is only legal if the patient consents and the consent of the patient is only valid if he’s fully informed before the medical intervention happens. In this particular cases means that all of the people who got these shots should have been informed about one, that this is not a vaccine, but rather an experimental gene therapy because this has never ever ever been done before. And that there is no medical study underlying this. Normally it takes between 8 and 10 years sometimes even longer to develop a new drug or a new vaccine. And here they claim that within a year or so they came up with these three or four major five, but I think in the meantime if you include the Russian one, vaccines. Now in what you usually do in medical studies is you first have this preclinical study, which is toxicology, etc, then you have animal experiments, and then you go into phases one, two and three of the human studies, and that’s what’s going on right now. There’s no preclinical trials. I don’t think, at least we know there’s no toxicology, no animal testing was done. What we’re seeing right now is human trials, but they’re not really trials. This is an experiment because the people who are participating don’t know that this is an experiment, they have not been informed about this, and therefore they were not able not capable of actually giving valid consent to what’s happening. They’re the guinea pigs right now.

James Delingpole  46:09

How much weight, is it the Nuremberg Code or the Nuremberg convention I forget. What’s it called?

Reiner Fuellmich  46:15

The Nuremberg Code. Yeah, (inaudible) yeah.

James Delingpole  46:20

Because, for example, my government is currently conducting a propaganda campaign designed to vilify and bully people who are sceptical about the vaccine, and we are being marginalised. We’re being scapegoated as being the reason why the country can’t reopen, and why people can’t go on holiday. So they’re turning against us. We’re, you know, we’re having a yellow star put on us, if you like.

Reiner Fuellmich  46:49

Yeah.

James Delingpole  46:49

So here we have a government which, and they’re talking about vaccinating children. This, are you telling me that all this is against the Nuremberg Code, and In which case, yeah, how much of a case is there against my government?

Reiner Fuellmich  47:03

All of the people who are taking part in this, including the doctors who give you the shots, including the people who order this, including the people who profit from this, including, of course, the government that pushes its population to get vaccinated, they’re all responsible. These are true crimes against humanity. That’s why we believe that in the end, in order to clean this mess up, we will probably need something that is supranational, maybe an international Corona court, I do have an idea on which continent that could be set up. I can’t tell you right now, but in two or three weeks, we will be able to come up to tell you about it. But I do think that this is so great. This is worse than what happened in the Third Reich. Because this time, it concerns everyone on this planet, everyone, there’s probably some people out there in the middle of nowhere, maybe some aborigine who doesn’t, who is not concerned with this, but almost everyone else on this planet suffers damages because of this, either through the vaccinations or because their businesses are destroyed, or because they are they have health problems because of the mask mandates, or psychological problems because of all this social distancing, or because their loved one died isolated without anyone giving him any comfort. That’s I mean, if you look at that, in particular, that’s what really, really shocked me. And that’s when I decided we cannot sit by and wait for this to unfold, we’re going to have to step in and stop it as quickly as possible. We know we can’t save everyone, but we’re going to have to do something, because those people responsible are completely without any empathy. They are extremely dangerous. The only thing they care about is money and power. We’re gonna get em.

James Delingpole  49:09

I’m very happy you’re saying that. I hope you’re successful. Just when we’re talking about the vaccines being, oh sorry the experimental gene therapy being a form of population control. What level of knowledge do you think the pharma companies have? I mean, are they putting stuff in the vaccine that actually kills you? Are they just being kind of cavalier by rushing through something which should have taken 10 years to process or what, I mean are we talking about ADE reactions? Are we talking? What’s the plan with the vaccine if it is a kind of population control method?

Reiner Fuellmich  49:49

Well, we are absolutely certain that the vaccine makers know exactly what they’re doing. They know that this is an experimental gene therapy. They know that the people who get the vaccines, the shots are not given any real information about what’s really going on. And they also know that this is extremely dangerous. The two things that you test for during medical trials is one, efficacy. Is it effective? And two, are there any side effects any adverse effects because you know, there may be a drug that is effective in fighting, I don’t know the common flu, but it may have the side effect of giving you a heart attack. So that would certainly in the end, lead to this drug not to ever be admitted. Now, there’s a lot of debate about are these vaccines effective? The vaccine makers like biontech Pfizer, they’re claiming that their vaccine is 95 percent effective. Others like Peter Doshi say 19 percent at the most, others are saying .85 percent at the most. The other thing that these medical trials should have looked into is, what about the adverse effects? What about the side effects? We know nothing about that? Absolutely nothing. What we do know is these mRNA injection, that’s biontech Pfizer and Moderna. There were animal tests conducted in 2005, and 2012, with different vaccines, and the net result of this to make a very long story very short is that all of the animals the ferrets and the cats died. Now, maybe that’s the reason why they didn’t conduct any animal testing this time. And what many of the experts like Professor Bhakti, Dolores Cahill, Mike Yeadon, and many many others are afraid is going to happen is that when the people who got the shots finally run into the what they call “the wild virus”, meaning in the fall or the winter, or next year in the spring, there’s gonna be a flu wave or a cold or something. There’s three major problems that they expect. One is, as we can see from the examples that I just mentioned, the animal testing that happened in 2005, and 2012, that there’s going to be I guess, they call this ADE antibody dependent enhancement, meaning that the actual virus is going to be deadly, while in other cases if they wouldn’t have gotten vaccinated their immune system would have been able to take care of this. Another problem is, and I’m a lawyer, I’m just repeating what I think I understood from what they told us. If I were to argue this in court, I would be better prepared, and I would be able to have the charts etc with me. But the other problem is thrombosis, blood clotting. It’s happening already. I just spoke to a colleague of yours, her name is Sally Beck, she explained about how this is happening in Great Britain as well. It’s happening here in Germany, a lot of people who are dying of blood clots that go all the way up into their brains. Then there’s ADE as I just mentioned, and then there’s another problem that’s called auto immune responses, because of what you get injected, or after you get injected with this experimental drug, your body produces the spike protein, your body is supposed to fight. your immune system is supposed to fight the spike protein when it attacks you. But what if your body produces the spike protein itself, then this is what many experts are afraid of, then it might happen that your body is going to attack itself. So there’s a number of things that may go wrong, maybe more things that I haven’t even considered or I haven’t understood fully. But it is very clear that the danger by far outweighs the risk of the actual disease. Consider that the WHO and John Ioannidis say this is no more dangerous than the common flu.

James Delingpole  54:59

And this isn’t you saying this, you are (inaudible) what you have been told by, I imagine a large number of people who know their stuff.

Reiner Fuellmich  55:11

Absolutely, but the dangers that I was just trying to tell you about in layman’s terms because I don’t, I’m not a medical expert. As I said, if I were to argue this in court, I would be much better prepared. But the dangers that I tried to explain is, this is all based on the testimony of Professor Bhakti, Dr. Mike Yeadon, Dolores Cahill, many others. As far as the dangerousness of the virus, I’m referring to the official statements of the WHO and the studies that Professor John Ioannidis of Stanford University conducted, and others have come to the same conclusion.

James Delingpole  55:54

You’ve heard a lot of testimony from a lot of different people and I imagine a lot of it was quite shocking. But is there anything that stands out for you as particularly damning of what’s going on right now?

Reiner Fuellmich  56:08

Um, well, what was the most surprising thing is that when Dr. Wodarg and  I, we rode the subway in Berlin, and we were talking about something completely different. And then he mentioned sort of in passing, he mentioned, well, you’re aware of the fact that the Drosden PCR test can’t tell you anything about infections. I said, What? Are you sure? He says, yeah, everybody knows this. I said, No, I didn’t know it. And I’ve been trying to look into this. And that’s how this all got started. That’s how he then said, well, you got to talk to Professor (inaudible), you got to talk to Dolores Cahill, you got to talk to Professor Kapell, and Mike Yeadon of course, that’s how it all started. So that was the most important and shocking experience that I had that this, which is the basis for everything is a complete fraud. A complete fraud.

James Delingpole  57:10

Yes, that was your eureka moment when you realised that you had the smoking gun. And I must ask you, so the guy who invented the PCR test died mysteriously as so many people seem to do when they cross Big Pharma? Are you worried? I mean, you must. I mean, you represent, you are standing up against organised crime on the most unimaginable scale. Are you worried that you might be a target?

Reiner Fuellmich  57:50

Um, yeah. I’m not the only one, though. There’s lots of us out there. I may be, I may, I may be a sort of a standard bearer or maybe particularly outspoken, but that’s only because from what our Corona committee did. From all the expert testimony, we’ve heard that I believe I am in a position to act the way I am acting. And I also think I don’t have a choice. I also think we don’t have a choice. All of us have to fight this. Because this is truly I would never have guessed that I would ever say this, because I’m a lawyer, you know, this is truly a fight of good against evil. And the thing is, I do have protection. I have protection from a lot of people and from a lot of indigenous people, for example, spiritual people. And that’s why I think even though this is probably dangerous, yes, that’s why it’s meant to happen this way. I don’t know how to put it but it’s meant to, I have a task to fulfil and all the others who are working with me and on your side, for example, yeah, we we are needed. We must do this in order to stop this. That’s why I think no one will be able to stop us.

James Delingpole  59:21

It’s funny what you said just then, this is exactly how I feel about what I do. Because I guess you know I’m in a similar position to you, not the same, but a similar position, you know, as a kind of truth teller in a world where nobody is telling the truth. It’s extraordinary. And we attract, don’t we, we attract very good, good people, interesting people, powerful people on our side, and that gives great hope. Now, I really want to believe that you are going to be successful, but didn’t I read I don’t know much about law, did I not read somewhere once that sort of international laws really have no legal standing they’re just the kind of high minded notion but you know, who’s gonna obey the Nuremberg Code? Does it have any? Can it be enforced?

Reiner Fuellmich  1:00:16

Well whatever happens is going to be enforceable. If we win in a Canadian court or an American court, that judgement will be enforced. If it turns out that the only way to really clean this mess up is through an international court, the findings of this court, just like the Nuremberg court will be effective and will be enforced. I don’t see why not. Because of course, if everything stays the same, if all the stooges all the puppets remain in place, that’s a different story. But they won’t, they will not survive this, they won’t, they have no chance. Because the thing is, once they come under pressure, and once they cave in, and that’s what’s happening with Fauci because from everything I read about him right now about the American politicians, Republicans who are going after him, he will not have any support. That’s the funny thing. The people who are pulling his strings will throw him under the bus.

James Delingpole  1:01:25

I think I’m getting very much that impression with Fauci that he is going to be and these people love sacrifices so Fauci is definitely going to be going to be thrown to the wolves. What do you know about Fauci? Because I mean, his, this goes right back to AIDS doesn’t it? It’s, he’s got, he’s got?

Reiner Fuellmich  1:01:46

Well, I don’t I don’t know enough about him because I was concentrating when I first started to work on these things on these cases, I concentrated on Drosden and Wheeler and our Secretary of Health and some of the bad guys here in Germany. But from discussing these cases with my American colleagues, I’ve learned a little bit about Fauci I know that he played a strange role during the AIDS crisis. He destroyed the career of another scientist by the name of Judy Mikovits, and he’s heavily involved with, well I guess you can call it research conducted. gain of function research is what they call it conducted, for example, at the Wuhan Institute of virology.

James Delingpole  1:02:40

I’ve heard that before.

Reiner Fuellmich  1:02:42

Yeah. How can that be? So it’s all coming out into the open and that’s what’s really good about this. That’s the only thing that’s good about this, all this corruption, because that’s what it boils down to. All this corruption is coming out into the open, it’s a shock to see how many people are corrupt. But on the other hand, now we know who we’re dealing with.

James Delingpole  1:03:04

You’ve probably got to go but I just wanted to ask you a couple more questions. One about you must have heard about the suppression of hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin as effective treatments. Tell me a bit about that?

Reiner Fuellmich  1:03:19

Yeah, this is another important side story. It’s a really important story, because it turns out that there’s a lot of evidence out there that says that there are alternative treatments available that are that either cost next to nothing, or are really really cheap, and that are highly effective. And therefore you don’t need any vaccinations. You don’t need any vaccines. Why were these alternative treatments suppressed? Well, because the pharmaceutical industry wanted them to be suppressed because they wanted people to get these shots. Yes, and that’s why I’m saying this is intentional infliction of harm.

James Delingpole  1:04:05

Yes, and that will be another presumably a key part of your case when you’re trying to show the bad intention.

Reiner Fuellmich  1:04:12

Absolutely.

James Delingpole  1:04:13

Yeah, yeah. Well, that’s good. Um, well, I’ve forgotten what my other question was, but it’s been absolutely thrilling to, I mean have we missed anything out here any key key points because I think this is going to be a very good guide. I will be encouraging kind of my sceptical my sort of, uncommitted friends, let’s say, to watch this because I think you come across as very reasonable. You don’t come across you’re not wearing a tinfoil hat. And yet you clearly are concerned about what’s going on. It’s not normal, is it? This is bad.

Reiner Fuellmich  1:04:51

No, this is insanity. This is clearly insanity. People on the other side must be clinically, in a clinical sense, insane. Because this is, either they suffer from. They think they’re omnipotent. They suffer from megalomania, but it’s much, much, much, much worse than that, because they’re willing to kill.

James Delingpole  1:05:14

When can we when can we expect to see some some results or something starting to happen?

Reiner Fuellmich  1:05:20

Oh, we’ve seen some results already. But it’s a very tough battle. As far as the PCR tests are concerned, we now have three major decisions. One, the first one was last year by a Portuguese court, the second one was at the beginning of this year by a court in Austria, and the third one was by a German court, a family court. This is the first one that is based on the actual hearing of evidence, because the judge who wrote the opinion heard three experts and their testimony is completely included in his opinion. Now, that’s why I’m saying it’s a tough battle. Because right after his decision was published, and it was hailed and celebrated all over the world, because the underlying facts of what’s going on are the same everywhere. It’s always the Drosden test. That is the basis for all of these anti Corona measures. So a short time later, his house, his home, and his car were searched, and his phone, his cell phone and his computer were seized. Now he’s gotten that back because he has a very very good criminal defence attorney on his side, but it tells you what’s going on. The other side is this is their weak spot. This is their Achilles heel, the PCR tests, if we destroy the PCR tests then that’s it, no more infections, the whole house of cards is going to collapse. So it’s a tough fight that’s even, it’s always like, two steps forward, and two and a half steps back. But we’re still making progress. And as I said, in two or three weeks, a couple of major things are going to happen on three different continents.

James Delingpole  1:07:32

And what do you have a message to anyone who’s thinking about taking the vaccine in order that they can go on holiday?

Reiner Fuellmich  1:07:40

Don’t do it, but this is your money or your life? I mean, if you do want to go on holiday, and if there’s no other way, I mean, if you want to go get on an aeroplane, you may have to get vaccinated, but don’t do it. Go someplace else. And if you can’t go on holiday, if that’s the only choice then don’t get vaccinated. Even if you’re about to lose your job, choose life don’t get vaccinated.

James Delingpole  1:08:07

Yeah. Thank you. It was really good talking to you and I’m full of admiration for what you’re doing and it’s really great to meet you and the very best of luck, thank you,

Reiner Fuellmich  1:08:19

And vice versa. Thank you very much.

James Delingpole  1:08:21

Thanks a lot. Bye bye.